Letters Duma: Robin Ticker to Sergey Kadinsky, re: Chava Shulmans letter to QJL Take responsibility for what you publish: not everything is sensationalism!

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Fwd: Sergey Kadinsky responds to Chava Shulman's Letter to QJL: Take responsibility for what you publish: not everything is sensationalism! http://shemittahrediscovered.blogspot.com/2016/01/fwd-sergey-kadinsky-responds-to-chava.html

My Response: 

Dear Mr. Kadinsky, amv'sh

I don't believe you did your proper research and as a result have been Choshed Biksherim suspecting innocents. Did Rav Shteinman investigate and find these boys guilty of murdering innocent Arabs.  Who stabbed the picture of the Arab baby?  Are you sure he is not a provocateur? Nobody saw his face.  Why was this video released now when Shabak is under attack for good reason? The wedding was weeks ago. Also, Is stabbing a picture equivalent to stabbing a baby? Do you have past history with proof that any one of these kids was violent, that is, wounded or killed an innocent Arab with premeditated murder?  No you don't.  Not yet.  And I believe you never will. You may get false confessions which brings these kids to self incriminate and become false witnesses against themselves or you may succeed others to become false witnesses against them  due to blackmail, or bribery. These are all terrible sins and miscarriage of justice.  We have here a system of self appointed judges and corruption. Speak to Moshe Eyal of The Legal Forum. Hopefully, this will lead to an investigation of a corrupt Judiciary within the Gov't of Israel. 

Did you know that Damiel Pinner, the guy with a toy gun was released. Did you know that years ago he was walking on the beach and was shot at. He shot in the air in self defense. An Arab claimed he was hit by Daniel Pinners.  Daniel Pinner does not believe in shooting Innocent Arabs.  Neither did he want to be sitting duck when shot at. I don't know if the Arab had conclusive evidence that his wound in his foot came from Daniel Pinner's gun, but halachically i believe one is allowed to defend oneself when attacked.   Pinner has a licensed gun btw.  He too was interrogated by Shabak and you can read about him in Haaretz. Google him.  He is not a dangerous Jewish Terrorist.  He blogs for Arutz7 and is a nice guy.  

If Ami, Mishpacha and Hamodia concluded that these boys were Jewish Terrorists before they were charged and went to trial, then they too will have to face a heavenly court as per why they were Motzei Shem Raa, spreading false and evil reports.  The Miraglim were the Gedolim, leaders of the Dor HaMidbar, the generation in the desert,  and they rationalized their Dibba Raah, evil speech.  Yosef's brothers were all Tzadikim, righteous,  and they too were convinced of their justification of throwing Yosef into the pit.

Do you have to be as frum or more frum then they? Please investigate and write about those who have destroyed Jewish homes in the name of peace, defamed and malligned, spread lies and falsehoods about a Holy Torah community who yearns for the Beit Hamikdash, for Moshiach ben David and  for the Avodah of the Beit Hamikdash.

We all pray for the above as it is in the Liturgy.  Do we daven with real kavana, real devotion as these kids do? Or is our davening mere lip service.

I yearn to yearn like they do as is directed by our prophets, yet I never contemplated taking the law into my own hands, blowing up Al Aqsa, and neither have these kids because it is suicidal, stupid and most importantly not a Torah approach to take the law into your own hands.

But these kids and or their families support building homes in Judea and Samaria and Gush Katif which the govt bulldozed and Israel received rocket fire in return. How should one respond to intolerable acts of a gov't?  Maybe we should ask the founding fathers of America. 

Building is not violence and revenge.  Shabak under someone's orders, tries to discredit and provoke to frame them.  

They have been VICTIMS of violence and revenge for daring to yearn the actualization of our Tefillot of thousands of years but in so doing they put the established Jewish Leadership in a bad light. Can they actually be more authentic and more devout than established Daas Torah?

The Rodef here is Shabak and it all is happening under Netanyahus leadership who talks of a 2 State Solution (Hefer Brisi) and consistently puts his faith in powers other than in the Almighty. 

The govt has betrayed the hilltop youth who live their life according to Emunah Peshuta. Simple and genuine. It is sad to say but so have these Rabbi's.

Please read others analysis of the wedding scene.  Please read all the links in http://shemittahrediscovered.blogspot.com/2015/12/no-jewish-terrorists-shabak-is-to-blame.html?m=1

Pictures do not tell the whole story. Let us get to the bottom of it. We have lots of questions.

However, let me tell you that this is not just about vilifying hilltop youth.  This is about distancing ourselves from our brothers and sisters in Judea and Samaria who are holding down the fort.  Rabbi Moshe and Leah Goldsmith of Itamar, Shomron came into New York. Did Agudah welcome them into their shuls trying their hardest to bring them Chizuk?  I have no doubt that it would have been greatly appreciated. 

These communities are being attacked physically, existentially in EU, UN Obama, and economically with BDS etc.

What happened to all the rhetoric about Acheinu Kol Beis Yisroel?

The leading Rabbanim have yet to validate settling Judea and Samaria leaving a minority of Jews shouldering the burden of protecting the Land and People of Etetz Yisroel.  These Jews are Gems. So are their kids.  We just are clueless as per how valuable they are and will be shamed when our eyes are opened.

Hakol bechezkat Sumin...

Fwd: Re: Duma Sergey Kadinsky responds to Chava Shulman's Letter to QJL: Take responsibility for what you publish: not everything is sensationalism!

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My comments: 

This letter shows what an Achrayus publications such as AMI, Mishpacha and Hamodia has to make sure their news is accurate and not biased. 

The Condemnation of the Chief Rabbinate of Israel and the Rabbinical Council of America as well as any leading Poskim must be retracted. There has been no convictions because of failure to find any evidence of violent vigilante behavior on the part of the Hilltop Youth.

The behavior at the wedding must be investigated before portraying  Hill Top Youth as Jewish terrorists who want to stab innocent Arabs. 

G-d hears their prayers because they are Emet, true,  and sincere.  Karov Hashem Lechol Korav, Lechol asher Yikrauhu Be"emet.  G-d is near to those who call out to Him truthfully.  

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From: Sergey Kadinsky
Date: Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 6:00 AM
Subject: Re: Take responsibility for what you publish: not everything is sensationalism!

Good morning,

Thank you for your feedback. Perhaps the headline was a bit sensational but when you look at the covers of Ami, Mishpacha, Hamodia, etc. they also use eye-catching headlines to catch their readers' eyes. Our newspaper is not any less frum than these two publications.

Furthermore, the condemnation against vigilante behavior includes not only the chief rabbinate of Israel and the Rabbinical Council of America, but also leading poskim in Israel including HaRav Aharon Leib Shteinman, who declared that "the path of violence and revenge are not our ways and anyone who does such things threatens the lives of the Jewish people." Furthermore, the Shas spiritual leader, Rabbi Shalom Cohen has stated that "a person whose hands are stained with the blood of innocents is liable to the law of rodef."

Our newspaper holds by the concept of Daas Torah, all of our articles are approved by our Rabbinical Consultant, Rabbi Yoel Schonfeld, and we strive to be on the same page as the leading poskim of our time.

Finally, on the subject of torture. We can certainly follow up on this story as it develops. Torture of individuals awaiting trial is obviously a stain on the otherwise good reputation of the Israeli justice system. However, our article dealt with the offensive behavior at the wedding. Whether the arrested were tortured or not, it does not excuse their behavior at the wedding.

Again, thank you for writing to us. Your feedback helps us prove our product.

Good Shabbos,

Sergey Kadinsky

Fwd: Chava Shulman: Letter to QJL Re: "Jewish Extremism" and Duma ISA Torture: Take responsibility for what you publish: not everything is sensationalism!
http://shemittahrediscovered.blogspot.com/2016/01/fwd-chava-shulman-letter-to-qjl-re.html

Fwd: Chava Shulman: Letter to QJL Re: "Jewish Extremism" and Duma ISA Torture: Take responsibility for what you publish: not everything is sensationalism!

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re: Letter to the Editor: Queens Jewish Link re: Op Ed: Discussing Jewish Extremism; by Sergey Kadinsky. Editors: Why did you have to take the side against the Hill Top Youth??? http://shemittahrediscovered.blogspot.com/2015/12/letter-to-editor-queens-jewish-link-re.html

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From: -Chava Shulman
Date: Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 12:14 AM
Subject: Take responsibility for what you publish: not everything is sensationalism!
To: Yakov Serle, Chazaq
Cc:

You did a great injustice and evil by publishing your article on so called Jewish extremism. This is not just sensationalism to get people to read your paper. You are writing about boys who are being tortured at this moment, and Hashem will hold you accountable for vilifying them instead of defending them.

Below are various articles on the horrific torture which the Shabak is torturing the so called extremists which your paper vilified.

Please educate yourself on this topic before you publish more horrible articles.

Complaint filed over ISA torture allegations in Duma case

Honenu calls to postpone indictments until an internal investigation can be launched.

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By Ido Ben-Porat

First Publish: 12/27/2015, 5:06 PM

Duma arson trial

Tomer Neuberg/Flash90

Attorney Adi Keidar from the Honenu legal rights organization filed a complaint to the Israel Security Agency (ISA or Shin Bet)'s complaints department Sunday, demanding an investigation into the torture of suspects in the Duma arson and murder case. 

The ISA department - the ISA Ombudsman for Interrogatees' Complaints - confirmed receiving the complaint, but has not yet announced whether to open an investigation on the matter.

Keidar did not express great hopes in the investigation, since the department is subject to prosecution body, but called to at least delay filing indictments in the case until the complaints have been processed. 

"We hope that the ISA complaint department officials, although they are subject to the prosecution, will carry out an independent investigation with respect to complaints," Keidar said. "We urge the State Attorney and the Attorney General to suspend the indictments until the matter is clarified, because if there is substance to the complaint and according to the Supreme Court ruling, the ISA are those who will stand trial, not the boys who were forced to confess under torture." 

Honenu noted that complaints had been filed against the ISA in the past, but no trials had ever been conducted over those allegations. 

"While in the past there were no complaints of torture but other violations of the law, such as hits, threats, sleep deprivation and interrogation on Shabbat, there unfortunately seems to be no body that really criticized the work of the Shin Bet," it added. 

Ongoing allegations

Outrage over the handling of the Duma case has snowballed after it was revealed the suspects had reportedly been refused basic religious rights such as lighting Hanukkah candles, been banned from seeing their lawyers or family, and that at least one has been denied medical treatment after being beaten during arrest. 

Damning audio evidence released last week during a court hearing included one suspect testifying he attempted suicide and begging for the ISA to kill him.

Honenu attorney Itamar Ben-Gvir also revealed that the ISA may have sexually abused the main suspect in the case during the course of the interrogation, amid a string of already-damning evidence mounting against the intelligence body. 

Civil rights groups have called for the ISA to be investigated over the torture, which - if proven - may run contrary to Israeli law. In one case, the ISA was found to have illegally detained one of the suspects, a minor, for longer than the 20 days mandated by law. 

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Attorney General approved torture of Duma suspects - Arutz Sheva

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/205812

Martin Sherman Oped in Jpost: Into the Fray. Duma 'Dirty Dancing' and Deeply Disturbing

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http://m.jpost.com/Opinion/Into-the-fray-Duma-dirty-dancing-and-deeply-disturbing-detention-439022#article=6017RjYwQ0I5MjNDQTE2MzNGRjc5RjhEQTc5NUU2QTlCMjM=